Pauline Weaver Primitive Rendezvous Sept 30, Oct 1&2 The Powderhorn Clan is proud to sponsor this annual Rendezvous and council fire. Hosted again this year by the Cooper Ranch in historic Wagoner, south of Prescott, on the banks of the Hassayampa River. Muzzle loading rifle, primitive archery/camping, and traders row. Walk in the footsteps of Joe Walker, and swap lies with the best! Council fire at sundown on Saturday.
Modern camping/tin tipi area will be provided, bring your black powder rifle, food, water, fire wood and your curiosity. Cooper ranch camping fees: $20/single, $30/couple, $40/families. See the map on the back of this notice, road will be marked with yellow and red tape.
For more info: George Seaman, 928-830-1318 Claimjumper53@yahoo.com
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I'm planning on being out there on Wed, early afternoon. Tim, did you get my emails? Rev, we're going to have a more specific traders "row" this year. Dana, I'm going to call you on Sat, anyone can call me if they'd like 928-830-1318. See you there.
Here are some pics I took. Very Small and very dissapointing that more members didnt attend, Not even the one supposed to be running it. Other than that it was great. Same core group. Shooting and hanging around. Beautiful location. Im done as a member of the Clan, waist of money, Been with them 2+ years and its not gotten better, its gotten worse, with the same nobody showed up for the meeting, and lets put it off till next time, and lets waist our money so they can clean up friendship and make improvements, and a whole bunch more thats not even worth my time. Its supposed to be about us in Arizona and getting new members, they are getting sick and passing away at 10 times the rate of replacement. Another few years there wont be a Clan. To bad. I will be hanging around as FTTA and going to the Rondys if theyll have me, If not ill go elsewhere. For those that showed, we enjoyed it and your company. See ya soon and sorry for the bitch. Im dissapointed with them but will stay here.
Thank you for the pictures Sean. You hit the nail on the head with your concerns.......! I don't belong to the the powder horn clan or any others for that matter. I've always been a free trapper , but pay my "gate dues" and only joined my first year here in Arizona to get some info maps etc. i just don't believe in gettin' caught up in the politics and such. I told Clint ( the guy that came up with me) p that if not one other person showed up but us....we'd still have one hell of a good time....thing is i do look forward to seein' others otherwise i'd just go trekkin' !!! One thing I've noticed with these rendezvous groups is the lack of good advertising at present it's very poor at best and i'm talkin' across the board...i saw the same thing in alaska, calif, utah....everywhere ! Oh well in any case...i had a great time and would like to thank George also for gettin' things set up for us....it's very much appreciated !!! Tim
Sean and Tim...thanks for the posts and the feedback. A few things; as the booshway, I am the one who must take reposnsibility for anything that is lacking in this particular event...it was mine to make or break. Advertising etc, was problematic but I do believe I learned some things this weekend and that those things have the potential of creating an experience that is much improved in the future. I must also admit that I just sort of believed that the people who were there last year would have been excited enough that others would have come out this year, but relying on word of mouth just wasn't a wise choice to make. I'll talk more about these ideas in the near future, but they include the idea to create a regular date a year ahead of time (which we have already done), I'd like to see a "primitive/aboriginal skills" encampment which I believe would draw in many of the more adventurous young people of the area (such as Katie/Clint/and their friends) who may not be shooters yet, doing an organized mega-trek to one of the major rondy's a little further north, etc.
I too am sorry about the turnout, but I do understand that people get sick, and that others are under-employed and have to take whatever work comes their way these days (Fritz was not the person responsible for this event...sadly that was all me) ...hard to anticipate that? Size is a factor, but I don't believe it is the only factor. Many of the people that the two of you would most likely find interesting have moved on in recent years as the Clan has moved into it's most recent greying phase...a factor that with some input from the likes of you can be altered.
Last year there were 24 participants, this year 14, with 4 camps absent due to health related issues. The postponement of voting until the National shoot was also an idea to try and get more involvement, and placing a by-law amendment on the agenda for that meeting is action even if it seems small. I am open to suggestions about how best to move forward (including ideas of how and where to advertise) as I have felt much like you do ever since getting involved. My concern is that losing your participation would be a huge blow to the very thing that needs to be happening right now...I would ask that you hold off on making this decision until you and I can talk?
At the National shoot last year there were 45+ PHC members and past members in attendance...4 out of about 7 period traders were PHC members. If we can concentrate more on our public image we may be able to bring things back together...if not, I clearly understand and sympathize with what you are saying .
Well I've ranted enough for now,
p.s. Tim, on Monday morning (about 0300) a huge tree branch fell from that big cottonwood above your camp....you got out just in time....Katie sends her thanks, and looks forward to trying to come up with some ideas to bring primitive skills to this event. Sean, I'd like to talk sometime soon...
By the way, at the campfire I forgot to remind everyone that Susan and I have 130 acres of rugged but remarkable central AZ land southwest of Ashfork, and we would like to be able to partner with the PHC to be able to use it as a "headquarters" of some kind. It would be possible to build a permanenet "stockade" or trading post, or restore a line cabin in the bottom of the canyon...anyone's thoughts on this?
Another thought...would anyone be interested in talking about establishing a permanent "horse camp" group within the PHC? Ride in to each Rondy...ride a couple of days into the big ones? Could even partner with foot trekkers/"hunters", use pack animals...????
Hey George....i hope ya didn't get the wrong impression.....you do a great job as booshway and it is no doubt a thankless job ( i sure wouldn't want to do it ) . It seems that the advertising at least in my opinion is the problem. I would list on several of the websites such as crazy crow. I would have to think that a lot of skinners, rendezvousers, trekkers etc. search these sites anyways . I know i sure do and did to try and find out some rondys to go to. I have no idea what the cost is but i couldn't imagine it would be too expensive. Oh and the tree branch...now that's some good timing on our part !!! Sounds like ya have some good ideas on the use of your land....now if you can just get some folks together.........
I agree with most of what has been said on this thread. The one thing I have to add is altho the PHC has its problems, the group that was in attendance at the Pauline Weaver is a very good core group to change it for the better.
To quote Sean "Its supposed to be about us in Arizona and getting new members, they are getting sick and passing away at 10 times the rate of replacement. Another few years there wont be a Clan."
I agree, to some extent. But, the way I see it, it is up to us to make sure that doesn't happen. Remember, this is the ONLY primitive group in the entire state of AZ. If WE don't actively do something about it, Sean is right. There won't be a Clan. Or anything else... Personally, when Sean & Russ both joined I felt that it was a positive step in the right direction. I would have hoped, (and have not given up that hope) they would both have stepped up and helped address the issues we all have talked about. George can't do it on his own & neither can I. I won't be left without an event to attend, obviously I attend a lot of events as a Trader. The thing is, if we don't make the effort, there will be no where for anyone like Tim to go, when they move here, or when they develop an interest on their own like Clint. All of the group I am talking about, & you all know who you are, all have skills & knowledge that need to be passed on. To each other & to the next generation. Sean, you may have not been involved in this sport for long enough to realize it, but all the clubs have the same problem. Most people that do what we do start out older to begin with. Even the kids raised in it leave to do the family thing & don't come back til the kids are grown, if at all. I think it would be a real shame if when they were ready to come back, there was nothing to come back to. Somebody stayed the course & worked thru the tough times so we had something to come to. I think it is our privilege to do the same for the next generation. At the elections, we can remove those that are not contributing, (for whatever reason) & elect some folks that will. We can also actively recruit, bring a friend like Tim did, bring a child like Sean did in Big Bear, bring a young person like George did with Katey, invite an older fella you met at the range. Whatever it takes.
I watched this thread develop for several days because I needed to think thru what I wanted to say, so as not to offend anyone here, because that is definitely NOT my intention. I think highly of every one of you & I want to make sure you all know that.
Enough. If any of you ever saw how poorly I type, you would understand what it took to do this much...
Rev, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I too was extremely stoked when Tim and Sean set up camp in our circle, and the only way to draw anyone of similar caliber is if we have that caliber to offer in the first place. Tim, Sean and Russ are exactly what will bring growth (along with a bit of work on the rest of our parts)...
And you are correct in identifying the fact that the group that showed up were all quality folk...I think Clint would agree and I'm sure Katie would...couldn't have asked for harder working, more interesting young folk to hang out with, I was impressed.
Let's brain-storm some more...ok? And don't hold back if you see something that needs improvement...we're all big boys and can take a little constructive criticism once in awhile,
Sorry to miss again this year...been a tough year here...Just got my son placed in school for a year to 18mo. so maybe I can get back in the swing of things and participate..sure hope so..looks like those that showed had a good time and that is what is important. see you down the crick...
Hi Everyone! I'm finally on FTTA! It's about time right? LoL. I had a great time last weekend. There were nothing but great people there and I love it! I cant wait to see you folks again. I like the discussion on this thread! I will add to it tomorrow or Friday for sure. Its getting late but I'll try to get on here as much as I can. George! You are the Man! And Tim, thanks for showing my the ways of the Trapper!!! ;-) Rev and Peach Pie, I loved your music and your store. You guys will be seeing more of me! I am thankful for all the hard work you guys put in keeping this going. This is one family I would love to be a part off..
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